CARF Joker build thread
#577
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This is a CARF model...I’ve seen hard landings with the batteries in the nose cone, it’s not an issue.
That might only be a few oz, but they all add up and the model gets heavier...light models fly best!!
That might only be a few oz, but they all add up and the model gets heavier...light models fly best!!
#578
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I agree. But strong ones last. I have 45 yrs of building and flying experience A small amount of added weight is well worth it. I glass the rails in any ARF's gear Saved many planes from the sometimes hard landing or off the end of the runway roll out. Any well designed acft can handle the extra weight. If it's that close to its envelope already then there is a proplem already Which I feel is not the case in this bird. That's why I bought it.CARF planes have proven to me to be capable
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Neat work there! It looks like a K100G?.
But it please take note of the tail servo wires touching the tail pipe. Mine had one of the elevators moving by itself when I ran the engine from mid to high throttle. At first I thought it was the servo problem, I then realized that the wire was touching the pipe.
I believe the pipe generates a lot of static when moving air rushes inside it, causing the elevator servo to swing.
kekelala
But it please take note of the tail servo wires touching the tail pipe. Mine had one of the elevators moving by itself when I ran the engine from mid to high throttle. At first I thought it was the servo problem, I then realized that the wire was touching the pipe.
I believe the pipe generates a lot of static when moving air rushes inside it, causing the elevator servo to swing.
kekelala
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Neat work there! It looks like a K100G?.
But it please take note of the tail servo wires touching the tail pipe. Mine had one of the elevators moving by itself when I ran the engine from mid to high throttle. At first I thought it was the servo problem, I then realized that the wire was touching the pipe.
I believe the pipe generates a lot of static when moving air rushes inside it, causing the elevator servo to swing.
kekelala
But it please take note of the tail servo wires touching the tail pipe. Mine had one of the elevators moving by itself when I ran the engine from mid to high throttle. At first I thought it was the servo problem, I then realized that the wire was touching the pipe.
I believe the pipe generates a lot of static when moving air rushes inside it, causing the elevator servo to swing.
kekelala
#587
Kekelala
Strongly recommend you remove the Jeti MFlow from your setup.. it doesn't work on the suction side at all. It will cause you a flameout guaranteed. Its designed for the pressure side. and it causes restrictions... I have quit using them at all because the fuel pumps were getting hot and the engines were not running well.
If you want fuel telemetry, then just use Kingtechs Jeti telemetry module, and calibrate the fuel counter in it.. its pretty accurate once you get the constants right. The older I get, the more I pay attention to a clean fuel line routing and flow. I drill out the barbs, clunks, and fittings, remove any restrictions, smooth bends..etc
goose
Strongly recommend you remove the Jeti MFlow from your setup.. it doesn't work on the suction side at all. It will cause you a flameout guaranteed. Its designed for the pressure side. and it causes restrictions... I have quit using them at all because the fuel pumps were getting hot and the engines were not running well.
If you want fuel telemetry, then just use Kingtechs Jeti telemetry module, and calibrate the fuel counter in it.. its pretty accurate once you get the constants right. The older I get, the more I pay attention to a clean fuel line routing and flow. I drill out the barbs, clunks, and fittings, remove any restrictions, smooth bends..etc
goose
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Kekelala
Strongly recommend you remove the Jeti MFlow from your setup.. it doesn't work on the suction side at all. It will cause you a flameout guaranteed. Its designed for the pressure side. and it causes restrictions... I have quit using them at all because the fuel pumps were getting hot and the engines were not running well.
If you want fuel telemetry, then just use Kingtechs Jeti telemetry module, and calibrate the fuel counter in it.. its pretty accurate once you get the constants right. The older I get, the more I pay attention to a clean fuel line routing and flow. I drill out the barbs, clunks, and fittings, remove any restrictions, smooth bends..etc
goose
Strongly recommend you remove the Jeti MFlow from your setup.. it doesn't work on the suction side at all. It will cause you a flameout guaranteed. Its designed for the pressure side. and it causes restrictions... I have quit using them at all because the fuel pumps were getting hot and the engines were not running well.
If you want fuel telemetry, then just use Kingtechs Jeti telemetry module, and calibrate the fuel counter in it.. its pretty accurate once you get the constants right. The older I get, the more I pay attention to a clean fuel line routing and flow. I drill out the barbs, clunks, and fittings, remove any restrictions, smooth bends..etc
goose
I haven't got any flameout, hot pump, hot start, noticeable throttle lag etc, so far on my 3 other jets and a turboprop. They all sit on the suction side of the pumps. Probably the MFlow 800 is sufficient to cope with the flow on those engines. I am running diesel with 5% oil. Jeti once suggested using bigger MFlow for bigger engines to avoid the restrictions of flow. And surprisingly, the telemetry was accurate - as always. For instance, after some flights with my Mini Avanti yesterday, the one litre fuel tank had fuel remaining at 25%. The transmitter reported 259ml.
I have also been using the Mflows on Saito engines, which are fairly heat-sensitive engines, if you already know. Should the engine runs slightly richer, it likes to cough and slack on the throttle. If you lean just 2 clicks out on the carburetor, the engine suffers overheating issues and sometimes quit in mid air. What I am saying here is that the device does not cause me problem. At least nothing significant that would prompt me to remove those.
Regards,
Kekelala
#590
so: say pump constant is 500..
you fly.. the counter says 40%, you add it up and say you have actual 50% remaining. 50/40 = 1.25.. so multiply 1.25 * 500 = 625.. try that value.. then rinse and repeat.. after a couple iterations, use half of whatever you calculate.. it will be within about 5% when you get it dialed in..close enough..
Its really nice to know your exact fuel state when the runway crumps, and you are just hanging out at the end of your timer, and your fuel counter says 45%.. you can wait a bit, then do a normal, not freaking..
Another way to do it is also to keep it running until you see a bubble come up the trap line (on the ground) then check the counter.. at that point you want it to say Zero of course.
Telemetry is cool, and it gives me peace to know whats going on up there.. Also with the ECU telemetry, set a flameout warning for yourself if you have telemetry. I use 80% of idle RPM, and I have a second alarm that says Pump Voltage, if the pump Pulswidth goes below 5 (shutoff).. You will be surprised how much the RPM decays on rollout, or during landing. I had a 36K idle, and had it go off on rollout, but the motor never quit, so I lowered the alarm to 28K
The whole purpose is to predict or warn of impending or actual flameout so you can turn back.. If it restarts great, Im not counting on it ever.
Last edited by gooseF22; 02-24-2019 at 08:10 PM.
#591
Thanks, Goose, for the head up. I would probably use the KT's when I fly a bigger engine.
I haven't got any flameout, hot pump, hot start, noticeable throttle lag etc, so far on my 3 other jets and a turboprop. They all sit on the suction side of the pumps. Probably the MFlow 800 is sufficient to cope with the flow on those engines. I am running diesel with 5% oil. Jeti once suggested using bigger MFlow for bigger engines to avoid the restrictions of flow. And surprisingly, the telemetry was accurate - as always. For instance, after some flights with my Mini Avanti yesterday, the one litre fuel tank had fuel remaining at 25%. The transmitter reported 259ml.
I have also been using the Mflows on Saito engines, which are fairly heat-sensitive engines, if you already know. Should the engine runs slightly richer, it likes to cough and slack on the throttle. If you lean just 2 clicks out on the carburetor, the engine suffers overheating issues and sometimes quit in mid air. What I am saying here is that the device does not cause me problem. At least nothing significant that would prompt me to remove those.
Regards,
Kekelala
I haven't got any flameout, hot pump, hot start, noticeable throttle lag etc, so far on my 3 other jets and a turboprop. They all sit on the suction side of the pumps. Probably the MFlow 800 is sufficient to cope with the flow on those engines. I am running diesel with 5% oil. Jeti once suggested using bigger MFlow for bigger engines to avoid the restrictions of flow. And surprisingly, the telemetry was accurate - as always. For instance, after some flights with my Mini Avanti yesterday, the one litre fuel tank had fuel remaining at 25%. The transmitter reported 259ml.
I have also been using the Mflows on Saito engines, which are fairly heat-sensitive engines, if you already know. Should the engine runs slightly richer, it likes to cough and slack on the throttle. If you lean just 2 clicks out on the carburetor, the engine suffers overheating issues and sometimes quit in mid air. What I am saying here is that the device does not cause me problem. At least nothing significant that would prompt me to remove those.
Regards,
Kekelala
have fun flying.. the telemetry is cool
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Thank you so much and happy landings,
Kekelala
#596
UAT tank
Hello,
Finally got to the fuel system build in.
Any suggestions for the UAT? I can’t see how the supplied UAT can be build in.
Noticed there was no clunck supplied with. Where should i put this tank?
Did somebody used the itrap UAT?
Pls provide pics if possible.
Kind Regards,
Eric
Finally got to the fuel system build in.
Any suggestions for the UAT? I can’t see how the supplied UAT can be build in.
Noticed there was no clunck supplied with. Where should i put this tank?
Did somebody used the itrap UAT?
Pls provide pics if possible.
Kind Regards,
Eric
#597
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I used an MAP std Bubble Trap in mine as pictures, IMO the best option.
itrap is heavy and not needed in a small airframe.
The std tank supplied to act as a bubble trap you build with a centre pick up tube, equal distance from all sides, the bubble stays around the edge.
Usually CARF supply another felt clunk to add (no flex tube needed) to sit in the centre
Dave
itrap is heavy and not needed in a small airframe.
The std tank supplied to act as a bubble trap you build with a centre pick up tube, equal distance from all sides, the bubble stays around the edge.
Usually CARF supply another felt clunk to add (no flex tube needed) to sit in the centre
Dave
#598
Thanks Dave ! ! !
I'll try to find the MAP std Bubble Trap. I presume there should be a clunck installed no?
Does the size of the tank matters? Presume it should be installed on the floor area, just in front of the main tank?
I noticed quite some discussions about the need of a UAT. Is it realy a must have for such relative small turbine, or is
it a standard item on turbines? After flying for 40 years on gas and methanol engines, i have no idea on the need of this tank.
Kind Regards,
Eric
I'll try to find the MAP std Bubble Trap. I presume there should be a clunck installed no?
Does the size of the tank matters? Presume it should be installed on the floor area, just in front of the main tank?
I noticed quite some discussions about the need of a UAT. Is it realy a must have for such relative small turbine, or is
it a standard item on turbines? After flying for 40 years on gas and methanol engines, i have no idea on the need of this tank.
Kind Regards,
Eric
#599
Thread Starter
Eric, where you based? NA either Dreamworks or MAP direct.
The kit includes a felt clunk that works well with tygon 1/8" line. If you look at the early part of the thread you can see where I installed mine.
Bubble trap is always a good idea, especially with limited fuel capacity, the fuel flow is much greater than on gas models, so air generates quicker and
turbines are not that tolerant.
Dave
The kit includes a felt clunk that works well with tygon 1/8" line. If you look at the early part of the thread you can see where I installed mine.
Bubble trap is always a good idea, especially with limited fuel capacity, the fuel flow is much greater than on gas models, so air generates quicker and
turbines are not that tolerant.
Dave
#600
Hi Dave,
Based in your backyard, just on the otherside of the Chanel, Belgium.
I would say that the supplied hopper tank is not really workeable, thus i’m looking for a replacement.
Problem is that no opportunities here in Belgium for accessories of turbines....
Do you have any suggestions for a good turbine shop?
kind Regards,
Eric
Based in your backyard, just on the otherside of the Chanel, Belgium.
I would say that the supplied hopper tank is not really workeable, thus i’m looking for a replacement.
Problem is that no opportunities here in Belgium for accessories of turbines....
Do you have any suggestions for a good turbine shop?
kind Regards,
Eric
Last edited by Speedrick; 03-04-2019 at 01:39 PM.